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StephanX
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I have read posts of people who don't follow the BFL diet but actually do the BFL program with a different diet that works better for them. I'm trying to find the right diet for me.

I don't like the low-fat diet because of the taste, price and availability of low-fat foods like low-fat cheese or low-fat meat.

On the other hand I don't like Atkins or those diets where the emphasis is on artificially increasing fat intake by adding lot of extra fat.

How would a middle ground work? The problem is that super reducing carbs or super reducing fats are the best way to control calories. It's harder, I think, to control calories without counting when the diet is both moderately fatty and starchy.

Any thought?


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Stephan, did you ever find out more with regard to your issues with Fiber intake?

As for your post above: If you aren't able to do alot of fibrous carbs from grains and such, like you had previously mentioned a concern about, then you may want to go with more of something like I've been doing. I do about 100 grams of carbs per day, more than enough to fuel your body for daily activity and workouts,  which means I keep my carb sources primarily limited to ground flaxseed (which I add to my protein shakes), lots of leafy green vegetables and some fruit.

As for protein, make sure to get lots of lean sources of protein: fish, chicken, pork, eggs, lean beef, etc (BFL approved protein sources)

As for fats: DO NOT BE AFRAID OF FAT. Adkins didn't make much of a designation about healthy vs. unhealthy fats as I recall. Basically you could eat tons of saturated fat, etc. which is really bad for you. Healthy fats, and read "healthy" fats from fish, oils, nuts, seeds, olives, peanut butter, etc. are all good for you and actually stimulate your metabolism and fat burning.

Ultimately, you could be way overthinking this.

And may I also add, that at 19 years old and judging by your profile pic, you really don't need to be worrying about total daily calorie intake.

Just follow the program: 5-6 meals per day made up of a lean protein source, veggies and some healthy fats.



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I don't think you need to artificially add fats in. I agree, avoid low fat for your life... fats are good, great, actually. It sounds like you really want a "diet" to follow, maybe to help give you some structure. I love Precision Nutrition.... LOVE!! But, some other ideas for you are paleo or primal blueprint... All 3 of these are focused on healthy, natural eating. You will be eating a lot of fat, but not "artificially"... rather, you will be consuming whole foods, often fats, and some high quality supplements, such as a good fish oil. None of these plans suggest you use fake foods except in those "exception" times. Perhaps look at those and see if something can work for you.


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andy, good stuff. i have to add though, 100 carbs for his bodytype prolly isnt going to do a whole lot he'll probably burn through that easily just walking around. dang ectomorphs. now you and i (endo's) 100 carbs is PLENTY for us hahahaha, we gain just looking at carbs. sigh.

stephan, there's not a name for what i am about to post below, it's just a lower carb approach, i take it myself, even in the offseason with gaining like i am now, i just like to utilize fats as a fuel source instead of carbs, i operate better on them and with your fiber issues this may fit well.

honestly though, are you trying to lose fat? gain muscle? both? that means a LOT. anyhow you could do this, which if i am gather correctly is prolly similiar to what andy did above, though i am proposing high gi foods PWO.

meal 1 - 3 pro/fats meal 4 pre-workout (pro/carbs usually a shake and banana work well here) meal 5 post workout (pro/carbs a whey shake and kids cereal) meal 6 pro/fats

this is just a general suggestion, if you will give details on your goals, what you weigh now, etc i will be happy to get more specific with it but you can get damn good results on a plan like this.


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<br/><br/><hr size="1"> note: i put kids cereal on there as an example of a high gi carb PWO and mainly due to your probs with the fiber in low gi foods.



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TEAMGORMAN said:
andy, good stuff. i have to add though, 100 carbs for his bodytype prolly isnt going to do a whole lot he'll probably burn through that easily just walking around. dang ectomorphs. now you and i (endo's) 100 carbs is PLENTY for us hahahaha, we gain just looking at carbs. sigh.

stephan, there's not a name for what i am about to post below, it's just a lower carb approach, i take it myself, even in the offseason with gaining like i am now, i just like to utilize fats as a fuel source instead of carbs, i operate better on them and with your fiber issues this may fit well.

honestly though, are you trying to lose fat? gain muscle? both? that means a LOT. anyhow you could do this, which if i am gather correctly is prolly similiar to what andy did above, though i am proposing high gi foods PWO.

meal 1 - 3 pro/fats meal 4 pre-workout (pro/carbs usually a shake and banana work well here) meal 5 post workout (pro/carbs a whey shake and kids cereal) meal 6 pro/fats

this is just a general suggestion, if you will give details on your goals, what you weigh now, etc i will be happy to get more specific with it but you can get damn good results on a plan like this.<br/><br/><hr size="1">

I'm a fake thin as I easily gain fat on the abdomen and even a small excess of calories above what I need to fuel activity and muscle building increases my abdominal fat quickly.

I call this skinny fat and therefore my goal is to lose some fat and gain some muscles. In not fat enough to make fat loss my primary goal and I'm not skinny enough to make muscle gain my primary goal. I'm 5.10 and 150lbs but I have a small bone structure with my wrist circumference being 6.1 inches.

I actually feel better when I eat less carbs and more fats. After a low-fat starch heavy meal I feel spacey and cold sweat and my thinking is confused. Soon after that I'm hungry again. Also after a starch heavy lunch I feel like collapsing on the sofa and sleeping and after a starch heavy dinner I can't stop yawning and can't concentrate.



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I'm 5'10", weighed 150 when I was 19 and have a skinny 6.1" wrist. I can't eat fiber. I tolerate white bread much better than whole wheat.

Yes, you are skinny enough to make muscle gain your focus. Listen to your body, not your brain. Your brain is telling you not to eat low fat, high carb. So, listen to the advice. Listen to Gorman or go Paleo. You'll be much better off. And lift them weights! Get in shape and get strong. Everything else will take care of itself.


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Stephen, post your current diet over in the BFL Support Forum, I have a Q and A thread there, I will glady revamp your plan if needed to show you how to recomp, stay lean (maybe even leaner) but gain muscle.

Trust me, you are an ecto through and through, you can gain fat if you are eating shit food and not exericising, but i cam promise you this as i see it time and time again, you start exercising/weight training in the gym, and you get a strong nutrition plan going you WILL start to shred up just from the food speeding your metab up. Here is a link to someone I helped with this exact same situation (though he didnt have the problem with carbs) but same body type and everything. and he did this in 8 weeks.

sorry if i could post the pic in here i would but i dont know how lol....but this is what you can expect with all the nuts and bolts in place where they need to be.

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=141531402558050&aid=29217#!/photo.php?fbid=149976041713586&set=a.149975795046944.29217.141531402558050&theater


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> sorry if i could post the pic in here i would but i dont know how lol....but this is what you can expect with all the nuts and bolts in place where they need to be.

I got ya bro:



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StephanX
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Lenny99 said:
I'm 5'10", weighed 150 when I was 19 and have a skinny 6.1" wrist. I can't eat fiber. I tolerate white bread much better than whole wheat.

Yes, you are skinny enough to make muscle gain your focus.

In spite of the weight I don't consider myself really skinny because I have skinny friends and they all have one thing in common: they don't have any fat in their abdomen... they're skinny everywhere with bones showing. I'm not like them because I don't have bone showing or anything but also I have quite a bit of abdominal fat and if I tried to bulk up as a skinny would my abdominal fat would increased excessively. I still think I need to gain and lose at the same time or alternate the two through the week. I'm never going to weigh a lot because my bones weigh so little.

Also my goal is not becoming muscular or looking like someone who hit the gym. I'm more interested in a very normal, streamlined physique but with more shape and definition compared to the shapeless flab I am right now. Something like this:



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